[Inkscape-devel] Hackfest regressions

[Eduard Braun]

Hi all,

first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions during
the hackfest!

As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know
best on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list
everything I noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to fix
it. (If I need to file a bug for any of those please let me know, but I
hope most of those issues can be fixed easily):

1. The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position anymore
(probably related to
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/fa8a2ee7e2539b145a87ac9af0d9748effa91631).
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2]
with [2] being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored
somewhere on [1] if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined
screen area is not accounted for when calculating positions.
2. Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there
might be others, but those are the ones I noticed).
3. During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I
was only able to find them in a single location (the path menu).
Aren't there supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see
Loading Image...):
Instead of using the space to the left they are indented like the
rest of the text shifting menu labels unnecessarily to the right
resulting in a very uneven look.

If I notice anything else I'll report it here.

If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please
let me know.

Regards,
Eduard

[Martin Owens]

I'm going to add this menus regression which is a bit of an odd one:

Ubuntu 16.04, fresh config dir, fresh trunk build (See attachment)

Menu names are missing, many are moved into the next column.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

Post by Eduard Braun
Hi all,
first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions
during the hackfest!
As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know
best on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list
everything I noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to
fix it. (If I need to file a bug for any of those please let me know,
The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position anymore
(probably related to https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/fa8a
2ee7e2539b145a87ac9af0d9748effa91631).
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2] with
[2] being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored
somewhere on [1] if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined
screen area is not accounted for when calculating positions.
Some icons are broken or missing, see https://inkscape.org/de/gallery
/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there might be others, but those are
the ones I noticed).
During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I
was only able to find them in a single location (the path menu).
Aren't there supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see https://media.inkscape.org/media/reso
urces/file/menu_icons.png): Instead of using the space to the left
they are indented like the rest of the text shifting menu labels
unnecessarily to the right resulting in a very uneven look.
If I notice anything else I'll report it here.
If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please
let me know.
Regards,
Eduard
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Post by Eduard Braun
2. Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there
might be others, but those are the ones I noticed).

Just learned that there also is a list with much more extensive
information on this point created by su_v, see
https://gitlab.com/snippets/1666702

[Alex Valavanis]

Re Point 3... unfortunately, this is imposed on us by changes in the
Gtk+ API. Basically, the left column is now reserved solely for
checkboxes/radio buttons and cannot be accessed via the API. Icons in
the left column are deprecated in Gtk+ 3 and have been removed
entirely in Gtk+ 4.

We came up with a list of options at the Hackfest:
https://imagebin.ca/v/3Re6nhBUI1LZ

Unfortunately, Option 5 is not possible, as the API does not allow
access to the left column. We decided that Option 3 was the most
acceptable solution, although care should be taken to group indented
menu items between separators so as to look more aesthetically
pleasing.

Best wishes,


Alex

Post by Eduard Braun
Hi all,
first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions during the
hackfest!
As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know best
on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list everything I
noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to fix it. (If I need to
file a bug for any of those please let me know, but I hope most of those
The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position anymore
(probably related to
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/fa8a2ee7e2539b145a87ac9af0d9748effa91631).
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2] with [2]
being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored somewhere on [1]
if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined screen area is not
accounted for when calculating positions.
Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there might be
others, but those are the ones I noticed).
During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I was only
able to find them in a single location (the path menu). Aren't there
supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see
https://media.inkscape.org/media/resources/file/menu_icons.png): Instead of
using the space to the left they are indented like the rest of the text
shifting menu labels unnecessarily to the right resulting in a very uneven
look.
If I notice anything else I'll report it here.
If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please let me
know.
Regards,
Eduard

[Eduard Braun]

Ugh, so they're actually working *against* devs now... Have the GTK+
devs ever tried to create software that has more then three buttons?

If GTK fights us like this there's obviously only bad choices...

One thought though: If we plan to continue to use as many icons as we
currently do I'd not rule out option 2 just yet. It's obviously the
cleanest and visually most appealing choice!
The only downside I see is that it wastes a lot of space and would look
quite strange in menus where there are no checkboxes / icons. But if
there would be a possibility to remove the space reserved for checkboxes
/ icons if there are no checkboxes / icons in a given menu I'd say this
would be the perfect solution! Then we maintain a clear look in menus
with icons but don't waste space in menus without them

Regards,
Eduard

Post by Alex Valavanis
Re Point 3... unfortunately, this is imposed on us by changes in the
Gtk+ API. Basically, the left column is now reserved solely for
checkboxes/radio buttons and cannot be accessed via the API. Icons in
the left column are deprecated in Gtk+ 3 and have been removed
entirely in Gtk+ 4.
https://imagebin.ca/v/3Re6nhBUI1LZ
Unfortunately, Option 5 is not possible, as the API does not allow
access to the left column. We decided that Option 3 was the most
acceptable solution, although care should be taken to group indented
menu items between separators so as to look more aesthetically
pleasing.
Best wishes,
Alex

Post by Eduard Braun
Hi all,
first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions during the
hackfest!
As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know best
on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list everything I
noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to fix it. (If I need to
file a bug for any of those please let me know, but I hope most of those
The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position anymore
(probably related to
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/fa8a2ee7e2539b145a87ac9af0d9748effa91631).
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2] with [2]
being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored somewhere on [1]
if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined screen area is not
accounted for when calculating positions.
Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there might be
others, but those are the ones I noticed).
During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I was only
able to find them in a single location (the path menu). Aren't there
supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see
https://media.inkscape.org/media/resources/file/menu_icons.png): Instead of
using the space to the left they are indented like the rest of the text
shifting menu labels unnecessarily to the right resulting in a very uneven
look.
If I notice anything else I'll report it here.
If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please let me
know.
Regards,
Eduard

[Miguel Lopez]

For some reason, I can't send to inkscape-devel (I had this funny e-mail
message), but I would like to mention that if GTK isn't gonna work in
the long run, is QT an option in the future? Krita for example, the
potential new FOSS raster standard app over GIMP is using QT, and they
switched to it at some point. I'm not asking for short-term opinion,
more on the long-run side of the things.

Post by Eduard Braun
Ugh, so they're actually working *against* devs now... Have the GTK+
devs ever tried to create software that has more then three buttons?
If GTK fights us like this there's obviously only bad choices...
One thought though: If we plan to continue to use as many icons as we
currently do I'd not rule out option 2 just yet. It's obviously the
cleanest and visually most appealing choice!
The only downside I see is that it wastes a lot of space and would
look quite strange in menus where there are no checkboxes / icons. But
if there would be a possibility to remove the space reserved for
checkboxes / icons if there are no checkboxes / icons in a given menu
I'd say this would be the perfect solution! Then we maintain a clear
look in menus with icons but don't waste space in menus without them
Regards,
Eduard

Post by Alex Valavanis
Re Point 3... unfortunately, this is imposed on us by changes in the
Gtk+ API. Basically, the left column is now reserved solely for
checkboxes/radio buttons and cannot be accessed via the API. Icons in
the left column are deprecated in Gtk+ 3 and have been removed
entirely in Gtk+ 4.
https://imagebin.ca/v/3Re6nhBUI1LZ
Unfortunately, Option 5 is not possible, as the API does not allow
access to the left column. We decided that Option 3 was the most
acceptable solution, although care should be taken to group indented
menu items between separators so as to look more aesthetically
pleasing.
Best wishes,
Alex

Post by Eduard Braun
Hi all,
first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions during the
hackfest!
As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know best
on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list everything I
noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to fix it. (If I need to
file a bug for any of those please let me know, but I hope most of those
The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position anymore
(probably related to
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/fa8a2ee7e2539b145a87ac9af0d9748effa91631).
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2] with [2]
being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored somewhere on [1]
if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined screen area is not
accounted for when calculating positions.
Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there might be
others, but those are the ones I noticed).
During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I was only
able to find them in a single location (the path menu). Aren't there
supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see
https://media.inkscape.org/media/resources/file/menu_icons.png): Instead of
using the space to the left they are indented like the rest of the text
shifting menu labels unnecessarily to the right resulting in a very uneven
look.
If I notice anything else I'll report it here.
If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please let me
know.
Regards,
Eduard

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[Alex Valavanis]

One of the issues we have is that many very significant things in the
Inkscape code are done in a very "non-standard" way, which are also deeply
linked to obscure/obsolete Gtk behaviors.

Before we can consider any change of Widget toolkit, we'd need to complete
the code refactoring work. Unfortunately, that means suffering a few more
of these "ugly" fixes in the medium term. Hopefully though, we'll end up
with a much more stable and maintainable application.

AV

Post by Miguel Lopez
For some reason, I can't send to inkscape-devel (I had this funny e-mail
message), but I would like to mention that if GTK isn't gonna work in
the long run, is QT an option in the future? Krita for example, the
potential new FOSS raster standard app over GIMP is using QT, and they
switched to it at some point. I'm not asking for short-term opinion,
more on the long-run side of the things.

Post by Eduard Braun
Ugh, so they're actually working *against* devs now... Have the GTK+
devs ever tried to create software that has more then three buttons?
If GTK fights us like this there's obviously only bad choices...
One thought though: If we plan to continue to use as many icons as we
currently do I'd not rule out option 2 just yet. It's obviously the
cleanest and visually most appealing choice!
The only downside I see is that it wastes a lot of space and would
look quite strange in menus where there are no checkboxes / icons. But
if there would be a possibility to remove the space reserved for
checkboxes / icons if there are no checkboxes / icons in a given menu
I'd say this would be the perfect solution! Then we maintain a clear
look in menus with icons but don't waste space in menus without them
Regards,
Eduard

Post by Alex Valavanis
Re Point 3... unfortunately, this is imposed on us by changes in the
Gtk+ API. Basically, the left column is now reserved solely for
checkboxes/radio buttons and cannot be accessed via the API. Icons in
the left column are deprecated in Gtk+ 3 and have been removed
entirely in Gtk+ 4.
https://imagebin.ca/v/3Re6nhBUI1LZ
Unfortunately, Option 5 is not possible, as the API does not allow
access to the left column. We decided that Option 3 was the most
acceptable solution, although care should be taken to group indented
menu items between separators so as to look more aesthetically
pleasing.
Best wishes,
Alex

Post by Eduard Braun
Hi all,
first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions during the
hackfest!
As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know best
on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list everything I
noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to fix it. (If I need to
file a bug for any of those please let me know, but I hope most of those
The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position anymore
(probably related to
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/

fa8a2ee7e2539b145a87ac9af0d9748effa91631).

Post by Eduard Braun

Post by Alex Valavanis

Post by Eduard Braun
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2] with [2]
being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored somewhere on [1]
if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined screen area is not
accounted for when calculating positions.
Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there might be
others, but those are the ones I noticed).
During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I was only
able to find them in a single location (the path menu). Aren't there
supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see
https://media.inkscape.org/media/resources/file/menu_icons.png): Instead of
using the space to the left they are indented like the rest of the text
shifting menu labels unnecessarily to the right resulting in a very uneven
look.
If I notice anything else I'll report it here.
If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please let me
know.
Regards,
Eduard

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[Maren Hachmann]

Post by Eduard Braun
Ugh, so they're actually working *against* devs now... Have the GTK+
devs ever tried to create software that has more then three buttons?
If GTK fights us like this there's obviously only bad choices...
One thought though: If we plan to continue to use as many icons as we
currently do I'd not rule out option 2 just yet. It's obviously the
cleanest and visually most appealing choice!
The only downside I see is that it wastes a lot of space and would look
quite strange in menus where there are no checkboxes / icons. But if
there would be a possibility to remove the space reserved for checkboxes
/ icons if there are no checkboxes / icons in a given menu I'd say this
would be the perfect solution! Then we maintain a clear look in menus
with icons but don't waste space in menus without them

+1 (looks a lot better to me)

Maren

Post by Eduard Braun
Regards,
Eduard

Post by Alex Valavanis
Re Point 3... unfortunately, this is imposed on us by changes in the
Gtk+ API. Basically, the left column is now reserved solely for
checkboxes/radio buttons and cannot be accessed via the API. Icons in
the left column are deprecated in Gtk+ 3 and have been removed
entirely in Gtk+ 4.
https://imagebin.ca/v/3Re6nhBUI1LZ
Unfortunately, Option 5 is not possible, as the API does not allow
access to the left column. We decided that Option 3 was the most
acceptable solution, although care should be taken to group indented
menu items between separators so as to look more aesthetically
pleasing.
Best wishes,
Alex

Post by Eduard Braun
Hi all,
first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions during the
hackfest!
As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know best
on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list everything I
noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to fix it. (If I need to
file a bug for any of those please let me know, but I hope most of those
The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position anymore
(probably related to
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/fa8a2ee7e2539b145a87ac9af0d9748effa91631).
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2] with [2]
being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored somewhere on [1]
if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined screen area is not
accounted for when calculating positions.
Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there might be
others, but those are the ones I noticed).
During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I was only
able to find them in a single location (the path menu). Aren't there
supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see
https://media.inkscape.org/media/resources/file/menu_icons.png): Instead of
using the space to the left they are indented like the rest of the text
shifting menu labels unnecessarily to the right resulting in a very uneven
look.
If I notice anything else I'll report it here.
If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please let me
know.
Regards,
Eduard

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[Jabier Arraiza]

Hi all. Im a bit disconected and maybe a bad resurecting thread but:
What about force a empty/transparent icon when no icon?

Cheers, Jabier.

Post by Alex Valavanis
Re Point 3... unfortunately, this is imposed on us by changes in the
Gtk+ API.  Basically, the left column is now reserved solely for
checkboxes/radio buttons and cannot be accessed via the API.  Icons
in
the left column are deprecated in Gtk+ 3 and have been removed
entirely in Gtk+ 4.
https://imagebin.ca/v/3Re6nhBUI1LZ
Unfortunately, Option 5 is not possible, as the API does not allow
access to the left column.  We decided that Option 3 was the most
acceptable solution, although care should be taken to group indented
menu items between separators so as to look more aesthetically
pleasing.
Best wishes,
Alex

Post by Eduard Braun
Hi all,
first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions during the
hackfest!
As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know best
on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list everything I
noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to fix it. (If I need to
file a bug for any of those please let me know, but I hope most of those
The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position anymore
(probably related to
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/fa8a2ee7e2539b145a87ac9
af0d9748effa91631).
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2] with [2]
being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored somewhere on [1]
if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined screen area is not
accounted for when calculating positions.
Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there might be
others, but those are the ones I noticed).
During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I was only
able to find them in a single location (the path menu). Aren't there
supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see
https://media.inkscape.org/media/resources/file/menu_icons.png): Instead of
using the space to the left they are indented like the rest of the text
shifting menu labels unnecessarily to the right resulting in a very uneven
look.
If I notice anything else I'll report it here.
If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please let me
know.
Regards,
Eduard

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[Eduard Braun]

Hi Alex,

did you have time to look into the first regression yet?

I appreciate you trying to remove deprecated code, but I'd very much
prefer if it wouldn't break existing functionality...
I admit code that compiles without warnings makes developers happy, but
code that actually works seems to be the more important goal as it makes
everybody happy and would help to counter the bad reputation Inkscape
already has with respect to regressions. :-/

Hope you find the time to look into it! (If you don't plan to work on it
it would be nice if you could at least let me know)
Eduard

Post by Eduard Braun
Hi all,
first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions
during the hackfest!
As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know
best on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list
everything I noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to fix
it. (If I need to file a bug for any of those please let me know, but
1. The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position
anymore (probably related to
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/fa8a2ee7e2539b145a87ac9af0d9748effa91631).
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2]
with [2] being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored
somewhere on [1] if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined
screen area is not accounted for when calculating positions.
2. Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there
might be others, but those are the ones I noticed).
3. During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I
was only able to find them in a single location (the path menu).
Aren't there supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see
Instead of using the space to the left they are indented like the
rest of the text shifting menu labels unnecessarily to the right
resulting in a very uneven look.
If I notice anything else I'll report it here.
If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please
let me know.
Regards,
Eduard
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[Alex Valavanis]

Hi Eduard,

Sorry about the slow reply... I was planning another pass to fix this
soon, but I don't have a dual-monitor set up available at the moment.
If anyone else gets to it first, that would be great.

As for the intention behind the deprecation fixes, the main reason is
to fix the current build failures on Gtk+ 3.9x systems (!), but also
part of a process of "standardising" our code design. The discussions
at the Hackfest suggested that many potential contributors have been
put off from supporting the project by the non-standard use of Gtk+
techniques (e.g., icon theming; ui builders; actions etc)... so
there's a much deeper reasoning than just making the build log
"prettier" ;)

Best wishes,


AV

Post by Eduard Braun
Hi Alex,
did you have time to look into the first regression yet?
I appreciate you trying to remove deprecated code, but I'd very much prefer
if it wouldn't break existing functionality...
I admit code that compiles without warnings makes developers happy, but code
that actually works seems to be the more important goal as it makes
everybody happy and would help to counter the bad reputation Inkscape
already has with respect to regressions. :-/
Hope you find the time to look into it! (If you don't plan to work on it it
would be nice if you could at least let me know)
Eduard
Hi all,
first of all I'd like to thank everybody for their contributions during the
hackfest!
As with all new code I noticed some regressions. As you probably know best
on what parts of the code you worked yourselves I'll just list everything I
noticed here, so you know about it and can attempt to fix it. (If I need to
file a bug for any of those please let me know, but I hope most of those
The Inkscape Window is not restored to the correct position anymore
(probably related to
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/inkscape/commit/fa8a2ee7e2539b145a87ac9af0d9748effa91631).
On a multi-monitor system with two monitors oriented like [1][2] with [2]
being the primary monitor the Inkscape window is restored somewhere on [1]
if it was closed on [2], so probably the combined screen area is not
accounted for when calculating positions.
Some icons are broken or missing, see
https://inkscape.org/de/gallery/item/11147/broken_icons.zip (there might be
others, but those are the ones I noticed).
During the hackfest menu icons were re-added. However on Windows I was only
able to find them in a single location (the path menu). Aren't there
supposed to be more icons?
Also they look a bit weird (see
https://media.inkscape.org/media/resources/file/menu_icons.png): Instead of
using the space to the left they are indented like the rest of the text
shifting menu labels unnecessarily to the right resulting in a very uneven
look.
If I notice anything else I'll report it here.
If I can provide additional information or help with debugging please let me
know.
Regards,
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